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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we are ending 2021 with an

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absolute bang with no doubt one of the

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people of the year in terms of ufos

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returning for his second appearance on

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the podcast we have journalist and

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best-selling author ross kiltart ross

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welcome back to the podcast g'day andy

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and merry christmas to you and your

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listeners mate and i'm sorry to hear

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you've had covered the last week or so

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it's pretty rotten rotten experience

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i have it's been it's been pretty rough

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uh still coming out the other end of it

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but i've saved my energy for today to

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get this to get the most out of this

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hour with yourself ross so i appreciate

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we've got a limited time and we've got a

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lot to get through as well the listener

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questions from last time there were so

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many left over and i received again

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hundreds this time for you so we'll see

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what we can get through as best we can

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ross i want to get right into it i i've

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just rewatched your your updated

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documentary secrets of the ufos revealed

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it was available for free on youtube

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worldwide which was a huge bonus for

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everyone outside of australia we didn't

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have to go find dodgy ways of watching

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it so that was absolutely fantastic um

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one of the lines straight off the bat i

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want to talk about that jumped out to me

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ross was the host michael usher

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mentioned it was an ongoing

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investigation you were a part of and i

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think to hear that it's ongoing still is

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really promising

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are you still actively involved in

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investigating ufos like today

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andy i can tell you mate i i've never as

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a journal you kind of dream of stories

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like this i mean one because nobody else

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in the mainstream media seems to be

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digging into this yarn

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the best thing you can get as an

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investigative journalist is a ripe

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load of data and and sources providing

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you with information that nobody else is

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getting and uh it's funny because i've

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i've been getting phone calls tentative

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phone calls from mates of mine on

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newspapers there's been

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a few from the us a few from the uk and

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in fact one from russia recently

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and um they're all sort of whispering

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down my ear going oh

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you're looking at ufos and i go yeah

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fascinating story they're all still

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worried about this ridicule factor the

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stigma and the taboo that's attached and

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i'm lucky because i no longer work in

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full-time mainstream journalism i work

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for channel 7 australia and we have a

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really good relationship as their kind

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of investigative journalist

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and i feed them the stories when i'm

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ready to feed them to them and i can

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tell you mate i have never in my

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journalistic career have

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had so many people of high caliber

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insiders offering really interesting

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information that that

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tells an awful lot about a fascinating

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one it's um it's great fun

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and as we say in the business it's a

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bloody good yarn it's it's a ripper it's

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a rip snorting story and

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uh you know you

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you chase it where it takes you and

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channel seven the people i work with in

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they want me to do other stories i i did

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over your prince andrew and his dirty

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relationship with um jeffrey epstein

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i'll still be doing other stories but um

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the uap subject matter is

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an issue that has drawn more viewer

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listener reader response

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to me through all the mediums that i

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broadcast and publish on than any other

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story in my entire career

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there is a wisdom of the crowd here that

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notwithstanding that a large part of the

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mainstream media chooses to accept the

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intelligence community peddled notion

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that this is a subject for taboo stigma

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and ridicule there's a hell of a lot of

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people out there who want this subject

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treated seriously and and with some

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journalistic integrity and uh

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i'm happy to say that because i've made

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my contacts available in my book and on

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my website people are contacting me and

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they're offering

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quite interesting information and so

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yeah i will continue to pursue this

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something people struggle to grasp ross

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as when we hear about christopher mellon

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luis elizondo and others they have ndas

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non-disclosure agreements that stop them

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elaborating or going into those juicy

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details and getting those yarns

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you don't have that same restriction

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necessarily do you at what point does

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that change for you though if if next

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year ross kilter decides that ufos are

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no longer for him the story drops and

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what stops you spelling all the things

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you have been told that you're not able

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look the the most important thing for me

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andy and this is a cardinal rule for any

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journalist who does his or her job

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source protection

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vital

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have a problem with julian assange

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because he purports to be a journalist

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but i don't think he did enough to

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protect the people in the data that he

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somewhat recklessly leaked

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and i'm not a tool of u.s intelligence

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and saying that i just think as a

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journalist it's important that we

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protect sources

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and i don't like the way that people

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uh the the sources that have leaked

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stuff to wikileaks for example have been

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screwed because their identities have

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been revealed

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often often through reckless source

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the biggest reason for why i can't talk

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about what i

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know in entirety is because frankly i

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have to protect the people who've

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confided in me and

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that requires them saying to me

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but you can only use this bit because if

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you use this bit in this bit it'll

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identify me

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and that's where we're at i mean some of

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these people are working in um

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compartmentalized programs

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they're not telling me stuff frankly

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that um reveals

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sources and well

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they're not telling me stuff that

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secrets

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um but the reality is that um

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you know i have to protect people that's

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the fundamental concern that i have i

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all through my career i've had this

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situation i was once in a court case in

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a defamation trial where i was being

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sued

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over the um

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the veracity of

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a way i'd made an enquiry and the person

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i'd used was a cop and they'd they'd

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helped me with an inquiry and verified

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and um in order to prove the truth of

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what i said i i was being asked to

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compromise my source and

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i was told by the judge to go away and

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think about it because

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it would be a contempt of court i could

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face a criminal situation if i didn't

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reveal my source

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and so i rang my source in the break and

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i said look um i want to assure you i am

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i am absolutely going to

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do whatever it takes to protect you i

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said i won't reveal who you are

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and he cut me off and he said you know

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he's a good guy he's quite a senior cop

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now and he said you can tell him who i

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and he said if you want me to come and

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testify on your behalf i'll do that as

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testify but it completely took the wind

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the other side my adversaries in this

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integrity of source protection it's

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absolutely vital and it's vital for

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people in the intelligence community as

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well you know you really have to protect

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people who are often risking their

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careers if not their lives in revealing

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and i apologize to people that sometimes

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i can't be as candid as i'd like to be

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but there are genuine reasons for

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constraints and i understand why lou

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elizondo and christopher mellon and many

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others have got these non-disclosure

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agreements that constrain them i mean

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if there is a technology which is

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capable of harnessing the kind of energy

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i don't want that falling into the hands

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of an authoritarian dictatorship like

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russia or china

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necessary to protect this information

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and i've said a few times much to the

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shock of friends of mine in your um your

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world of ufology i've actually said a

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few times i completely understand

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why

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the us government is keeping what it

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knows secret uh i'm not justifying that

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behavior and i think that the level of

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secrecy is absurd

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and i think the public can handle the

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truth but i can understand why the

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instinct of the national security

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community has been to put a lid on this

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stuff

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and that was a slow revelation for me

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and i've had people say to me look

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if you realized the capacities of this

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technology

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it means that any

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terrorist group for example could

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harness an unlimited amount of energy

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and do things that are

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like literally threatening to the future

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of the planet

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overstating things here but the

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technology that is represented by

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what's in the navy videos

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it's indisputably i mean even the us

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government admits

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it's indisputably a technology that is

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beyond known human science

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that that is groundbreaking paradigm

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shifting revolutionary and for that

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reason

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i can understand the secrecy i'm not

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justifying it but i can understand why

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the reflex of a general or an admiral

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somewhere deep in the bowels of the

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pentagon is to go hell no we're not

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revealing this

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so

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you know i respect and understand why

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people like louis lozando and

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christopher mellon are operating under

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ndas and frankly that's what makes it

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even more amazing that people like that

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are speaking as candidly as they are

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i mean it's breathtaking some of the

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things that lou in particular has said i

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loved his interview with your

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british gq magazine he's such a tease a

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real flirt you know he basically comes

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just i mean there must be people in the

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pentagon who are going he's going to say

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it he's going to say that he's going to

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breach his nda and then he just comes

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with an a whisker of um of averting

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catastrophe well russ what what stood

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out for you what was the particular

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parts that you thought oh that's that's

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close to the line

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i actually wrote it down this morning

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because i i wanted to make a note of it

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because um

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uh it it struck me as

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you know a reinforcement of what he said

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previously but nonetheless

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extraordinarily

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do you believe we have recovered a craft

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lou says i've been told i have to be

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very careful how i answer this question

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i'm not allowed to expound upon anything

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i've already said

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what i have said is that it is my

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opinion my belief a strong belief hint

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hint

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that the us government is in possession

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of exotic material associated with uaps

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that's all i'm allowed to say

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and then thank heavens there's a journo

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who actually follows up with a good

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question he says do you believe organic

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matter or beings have been recovered i

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mean that's the that's the 99 question

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lou says

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i'm respectfully gonna have to pass on

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that question there's a couple of

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questions i'm really not at liberty to

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discuss that's one of them

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and then he goes on to say

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they're intelligently controlled for

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sure because they're responding and

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reacting to our actions

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that is for certain

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they are absolutely intelligently

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controlled

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by

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now geez do you need to drive a truck

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over here to basically understand what

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he's getting at there i mean

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frankly um that is

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what we would call in the australian

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journalism business a golden turd that

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is a uh that is an absolutely momentous

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i i can see why people do get frustrated

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at that though because it does get so

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close to the line that

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99 of people would think well why not

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just put your toe over that line

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because

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when i saw lou in america in um april

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he had he was really rattled and and

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this is why i i strongly think that it's

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nonsense that he's some tool of us

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intelligence you know

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some supplicant counter intelligence

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officer working under deep cover

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either through ttsa or on his own bat

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because he'd just been handed by defense

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security and i i could see

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the

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stress and pain in his and his poor

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wife's eyes

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because they'd just been through a

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really nasty time with defense security

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giving them a bollocking for

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you know allegedly coming too close to

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breaching the terms of his nda

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um

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one of the things you have to understand

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is that

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lou's still earning a living you know

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he's he's making a living and i won't

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reveal where he's working but he's still

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working in a company that

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means he has to have a top secret

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clearance and a compartmentalised

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clearance

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i mean i i would fail in an instant you

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know a mate of mine told me the other

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day that um

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he was being vetted for australia's um

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spy service which in itself is a breach

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of the obligations uh that he has as a

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potential spy

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and and he said to me he said oh rosco

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you know one of the things they ask you

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is you know have you ever been um

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given material that you you shouldn't

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have you know have you ever procured

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state secrets and

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i kind of laughed and i said geez i'm

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i'm a goner you know

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because it's part of journalism to be

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told things that you shouldn't and quite

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often the people that are telling you

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this stuff are the ministers of the

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crown who then order the leaks inquiries

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subsequently

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but you know the reality is a security

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clearance is gold for people who work in

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the in the intelligence community or the

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you know in in any kind of defense

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aerospace

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role with a security clearance if you

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lose that clearance you're on the bread

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line and so they've got it over you

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frankly

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a few friends of mine who who have

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worked with high security clearances

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they um they've actually told me quite

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often that that people like myself who

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work with open source intelligence or

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just talk to sources

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um on my own basis without signing

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security agreements or secrecy

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agreements i'm in a better i'm in a

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better position that they say that i

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often know more than they do because the

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the material inside government is so

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heavily compartmentalized

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and if i can just make this point andy i

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think this is the heart of the problem

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i'm in no doubt that the united states

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government has recovered quote exotic

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material as lou calls it others might

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say craft

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vehicles

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i mean absolutely no doubt about that

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what is the issue is

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what do we do with that you know what

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would you do if you were the united

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states

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i frankly would keep it secret

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i'm not i'm not being an excuse you know

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make an apologist for the uh for the us

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government but frankly i can understand

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how this has happened

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you don't want technology like this to

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fall into the wrong hands

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and you want

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as you know hopefully the preeminent

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power representing western liberal

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democracy on the planet

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you want that you are the one that

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controls this technology i don't want a

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raving lunatic like vladimir putin or

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president zia of z of china to be in

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control of this technology

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i dream of a world where nations

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collaborate and work together and and in

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a star trekian way you know basically

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show

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a willingness to think of themselves as

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human rather than their individual

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nationality but we're not there yet and

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for that reason

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i can understand why there is

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nervousness about protecting the um

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intellectual property behind this

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there there's so much i want to dig into

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on that but we'll keep that for another

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time because i could go back and forward

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on that for hours on itself and i do

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want to get to some of these listener

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questions i've promised um ross first

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question from xavier when do you believe

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the question will shift from what is in

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our skies to who is in our skies

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i think that's happening already

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i it's interesting because

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i was really skeptical when i first got

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into this that there was any kind of

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plan that there really is some kind of

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coordinating

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group

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and i'm i i still am

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but i do think that

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the pentagon

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against the wishes of a vast majority of

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people in the positions of power is

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being pushed into a position of

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disclosure

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and and

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frankly i think the issue has been the

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more i look at this the more i realize

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that only a very small handful of people

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in the pentagon the defence and

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intelligence community and also in

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private aerospace that's been read into

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this program

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only a very small number of people have

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actually known what's going on

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and so when you've seen or heard

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government denials about you know any

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kind of retrieved technology or an

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awareness of

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non-human intelligent life engaging with

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this planet

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i think generally it's been truthfully

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imparted

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the bottom line is you've got to know

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who to speak to to actually find out

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this stuff

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and

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that's the issue the the issue is

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um we've been talking

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about sightings since 2017. anomalous

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objects phenomena in our skies

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and what's happened just in the last few

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months is i've noticed elizondo in

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particular he's been using increasingly

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rather than anomalous objects he's been

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using craft

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vehicles

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intelligently controlled

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and if you read the wording of

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this absolutely momentous gillibrand

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amendment that's gone before the senate

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which would essentially put into the

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appropriations legislation of the us

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defense department within the next few

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weeks a requirement on the pentagon and

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the intelligence community to report on

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everything it knows

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including

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quite clearly

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um

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the testing of materials

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medical studies

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we talking about here um

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let's go through some of these

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indicators

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um

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uh let's give me five seconds and i'll

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find the page there's a science they

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they're requiring

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an investigation or a scientific plan to

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develop scientific theories to account

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for

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unidentified aerial phenomena that

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exceed the known state of the art in

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science and technology

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including in the areas of propulsion

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aerodynamic control signatures

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structures materials sensors

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countermeasures weapons electronics and

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power generation

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and provide the foundation for future

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investments to replicate any such

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advanced characteristics and performance

567
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,240
so that to me is

568
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,799
groundbreaking because you have in black

569
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,720
and white in legislation or a bill

570
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,120
that's being put before the congress

571
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:31,840
an acknowledgement of a technology that

572
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,880
is far beyond known human technology i

573
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,280
for the life of me andy do not know why

574
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,320
that is not a front page story on every

575
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,720
national newspaper in the united states

576
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,960
it is momentous

577
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,559
and i know for a fact because i've

578
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,240
spoken to congressmen and senators

579
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,000
who've been in on these classified

580
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,280
briefings i know for a fact that that

581
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,039
particular

582
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,120
requirement in the legislation has come

583
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,880
about because of those classified

584
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:00,320
briefings

585
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,919
people's worldview was rocked by what

586
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,320
they were told in those briefings and a

587
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,320
lot of what happened in those briefings

588
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,679
is driving

589
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,679
my understanding of what's coming down

590
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,960
the line

591
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,120
and so to answer your question

592
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,240
if you read that legislation it doesn't

593
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,360
just deal with data collection on these

594
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:24,480
anomalous objects

595
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,080
but but in and of itself it's momentous

596
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
what they are requiring and i i think

597
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,880
before we start worrying about when

598
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,720
they're going to start acknowledging

599
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,159
acknowledging the possibility of

600
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,640
intelligent life forms i think it's just

601
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,440
important to stop for a moment and go

602
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
wow how far have we come in four years

603
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,720
since the 2017

604
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,400
which is almost exactly four years ago

605
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,640
the december 2017

606
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:53,200
uh new york times story which revealed

607
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:56,960
the existence of this secret ufo program

608
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:00,159
we are now in a situation where the

609
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,000
united states congress is demanding both

610
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,720
classified and unclassified reports to

611
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,440
the congress from across the entire

612
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:11,919
intelligence community from across the

613
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,559
entire five eyes community that's from

614
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,679
britain and the australian community

615
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,360
canada new zealand

616
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,120
every country is going to be approached

617
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,400
by america in a coordinated inquiry to

618
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:27,280
ask for information on uaps

619
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,799
this is really interesting but then

620
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,520
as you go down through this

621
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:36,000
there's more woo stuff that's really

622
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,039
interesting

623
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:39,600
they also require an assessment of any

624
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,640
health related effects for individuals

625
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,880
that have encountered unidentified

626
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,440
phenomena

627
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,799
that's really interesting because you

628
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,880
need to put that in context with what

629
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,279
has just come out this evening from

630
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,520
professor gary nolan of stanford

631
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,880
university

632
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,440
he's been doing research for the defence

633
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,480
department into pilots one of whom i've

634
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,120
actually spoken to who've engaged up

635
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,279
close with the phenomenon

636
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:10,400
and sadly these pilots are suffering

637
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,279
horrible injuries some of them

638
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,840
in the report that gary nolan has given

639
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,840
to i think vice.com the

640
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,000
newsmagazinevice.com

641
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:22,159
he actually talks about how people have

642
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,200
died

643
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,760
from this that this is really serious

644
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,400
stuff and it's linked into the havana

645
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,760
syndrome

646
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,640
afflicting

647
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,799
us diplomats all around the world where

648
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,720
they've had these mysterious symptoms

649
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,159
that that

650
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,760
are essentially stopping them from

651
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,279
working and stopping them doing their

652
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,799
intelligence activities in whichever

653
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,720
country they were based in

654
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,760
and

655
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,799
i think we're on the beginning of

656
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,640
a revelation

657
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,799
there's there's clearly a controlled

658
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,600
disclosure here of some kind being made

659
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,679
you know it's good science to collect

660
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,360
the data first

661
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,880
and i think what's going to happen is

662
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,799
we're going to see

663
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,880
in the first report to congress in

664
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,679
october 2022

665
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,679
or probably earlier

666
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,919
we're going to see

667
00:25:15,549 --> 00:25:14,240
data being collected that makes it

668
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,559
absolutely

669
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,320
irrefutable it'll make the debunkers go

670
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,799
away and hide in their holes it makes it

671
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,640
absolutely irrefutable that there is an

672
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,279
anomalous phenomenon here that involves

673
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,679
technology intelligently crafted

674
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,679
technology far beyond known human

675
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:31,279
science

676
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,159
then

677
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,159
we'll start talking about what that

678
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,080
intelligence is

679
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,600
because i'm told the answer is not easy

680
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,039
because it's i don't think it's one

681
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,480
thing

682
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,240
i don't think it's one i want to follow

683
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,000
up

684
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,120
you go on okay i've got two things one

685
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,120
might touch slightly on that as well you

686
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,919
mentioned um about the the people inside

687
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,679
the small number of people inside the

688
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,520
government that would know what's going

689
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,679
on when you say what's going on and

690
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,760
given what you've spoken or who you've

691
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,000
spoken to and what you've spoken about

692
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,320
even those who are in the know shall we

693
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,320
say that could explain

694
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,799
an aspect of what the phenomenon may be

695
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,360
how much do you think they know

696
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,600
if if there was one person who knew as

697
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,000
much as anyone in the world can you put

698
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,840
a percentage on what you think do they

699
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,679
know everything could they tell us

700
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,360
everything about the phenomenon or is it

701
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
just they have a better idea

702
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,120
no mate i actually think the problem

703
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,679
that we have at the moment is

704
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,440
i'll tell you my gut instinct okay this

705
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,559
is my gut instinct as a journal i am as

706
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,320
i've said earlier i'm in no doubt that

707
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,080
the united states has retrieved

708
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,240
technology that it believes

709
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,200
is intelligently crafted by a non-human

710
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,520
intelligence i have no doubt about that

711
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,840
whatsoever i've heard that from multiple

712
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,279
sources and there's more than enough

713
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,360
information on the public record now

714
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,360
including from the cheeky slightly

715
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,960
flirtatious statements from luis

716
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,880
elizondo i mean no doubt about that

717
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,960
whatsoever

718
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,919
what i think though is

719
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,520
the most interesting admission that's

720
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,919
been made by any insider

721
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,039
is

722
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,880
the comments that are that were made

723
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,120
before he went into aerospace

724
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,919
corporation by dr eric davis

725
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,200
and i know there are a few people who

726
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,880
try and poor [\h__\h] on eric davis and

727
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,320
basically say he doesn't know what he's

728
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,559
talking about and he's hiding behind

729
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
you know his security clearances and

730
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,720
making himself sound more important than

731
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,559
he is but i've spoken to people who

732
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,320
vouch for eric davis

733
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,240
he knows what he's talking about

734
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,320
and he has talked about the fact that

735
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,159
there has been a back engineering

736
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,279
program trying to re-engineer this

737
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,679
technology for decades and it hasn't

738
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:42,080
been very successful

739
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,120
and

740
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,600
that i think is the issue

741
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,720
there are a lot of people who know a bit

742
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,559
but i suspect

743
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,080
you know i think i might have told you

744
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,080
this before andy that in my line of work

745
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,679
we we have a saying which is always a

746
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,320
summer screw up before a conspiracy

747
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,679
i don't believe necessarily in an

748
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,000
overarching conspiracy a kind of a

749
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,000
majestic 12 conspiracy where there's a

750
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:08,159
group of blokes sitting around a table

751
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,039
going

752
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,600
we do not want andy mcgrillen in the ufo

753
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,480
podcast to know about what we know

754
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,320
you know it just doesn't happen frankly

755
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,320
governments are so bloody hopeless at

756
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,200
keeping most secrets that frankly um

757
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,200
the notion of an overarching body like

758
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,440
that is to me i find implausible it

759
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,000
might have existed once uh and indeed

760
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,240
you know there's a there's a bit of

761
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,000
evidence to suggest that

762
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,760
shortly after the discoveries that were

763
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,520
made in the wake of world war ii and the

764
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,640
atom bomb

765
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,720
there was such a group but i don't

766
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,559
believe there is one now and i think the

767
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,840
problem that we have is

768
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,480
that

769
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:48,320
stage

770
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:52,320
a few decades ago a decision was made to

771
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,919
get this away from the scrutiny of

772
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,080
oversight committees

773
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,200
the scrutiny of the congress

774
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,960
inspector generals and that sort of

775
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,720
stuff and it was taken into private

776
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,320
aerospace

777
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,320
so really the people in government who

778
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,720
know about this there's a small handful

779
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,240
of people in government who actually

780
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,440
know about retrieved technology

781
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:17,919
but there's a wide number of people who

782
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
know about the anomalous phenomena it is

783
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,520
absolutely i've just lost count of the

784
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,200
number of people that i've spoken to

785
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,399
some of whom

786
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,000
have sought me out

787
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,000
who've told me about things that they've

788
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,520
seen on satellite telemetry data

789
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,360
infrared data

790
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,840
videos e2 hawkeye

791
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,760
readouts you know there's just the most

792
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,840
extraordinary array of data that

793
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,240
basically shows there is an anomalous

794
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,960
phenomenon that cannot be explained and

795
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,880
frankly i don't know about you but i get

796
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,039
bored with the fact that we're just

797
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,440
constantly being sent blurry vision of

798
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,200
of you know weird objects and you can't

799
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,919
make a determinative comment about them

800
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,159
i want to go further than that and and

801
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,600
this is what's really interesting is

802
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,440
that when i'm talking to these insiders

803
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,600
it's quite obvious that they know

804
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,440
a bit but they don't know the whole

805
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,600
story they're as puzzled about this as

806
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,320
you and i are

807
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,440
but i do think there are

808
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,080
people at the top of the echelon

809
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,559
who know what's going on and i think a

810
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,200
very small number are read into this

811
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,600
quite a number of the um

812
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,000
scientists that i've spoken to who have

813
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,799
been part of what they assert

814
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:33,840
was the program the attempt to back and

815
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,960
engineer some of this technology

816
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,520
they describe a scenario where it's so

817
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,600
frustrating for them as a scientist that

818
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,600
they've been given literally

819
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,720
an object to investigate

820
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,320
they're not told anything about it other

821
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,039
than a few very limited facts

822
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:52,960
and then told you know try and figure

823
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,760
out how it works

824
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,399
now the basis of good science

825
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,600
is to

826
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,279
publish what you know

827
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,440
put it open for peer review

828
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,760
and allow everybody to analyze your data

829
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,679
and tear it down and reassemble it and

830
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,960
have a look at it and see what you can

831
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,279
cl conclude it as a result of it

832
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,159
that's not happening with this

833
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,919
and that's the tragedy the tragedy is is

834
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,039
that

835
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,440
i'm told we haven't been very successful

836
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,159
in replicating whatever this is

837
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,200
that's the issue so yes there are a few

838
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,440
people a very small number of people i

839
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,159
suspect i doubt even a president

840
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,559
knows the full story i suspect george

841
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,640
bush senior knew the full story he was

842
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,559
probably the last president to be fully

843
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,320
read into this

844
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,279
but i don't think barack obama

845
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,000
bill clinton or even particularly not

846
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:46,080
donald trump had any idea and certainly

847
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,519
not joe biden

848
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,440
i think they've been told that yes there

849
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,840
is anomalous phenomena but if you think

850
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,360
about that if you think about the fact

851
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,120
that the commander-in-chief of the

852
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,360
american armed forces is not being read

853
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,240
into the full story here that's the

854
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,240
crazy thing to me because if i was the

855
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,000
commander-in-chief of the american armed

856
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,360
forces i would see it as my

857
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,840
responsibility and my right to demand

858
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,200
information

859
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,919
but i'm told presidents have tried

860
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,080
that's the issue is that whatever this

861
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,960
is it's so heavily compartmentalized

862
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:18,880
and so

863
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,640
just way off the scale in terms of

864
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,559
heavy duty science

865
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,640
that for the individual people who've

866
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,480
come across the phenomena it's almost

867
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,880
impossible to understand other than and

868
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,640
this is why i think it's been kept

869
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,399
secret for so long

870
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,880
um i i spoke to somebody in our military

871
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,799
recently because and it wasn't this

872
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,399
particular guy but there was an air vice

873
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,600
marshal

874
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,799
who's the chief of

875
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,039
air force guy called mel hubfield

876
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,720
and i gave him a bit of a bollocking in

877
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,480
a story that i did in fact the

878
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,799
documentary that you referred to because

879
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,760
you know

880
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,919
i know that there are people receiving

881
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,480
five eyes intelligence

882
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,480
that he's talking about uap phenomena

883
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,159
but he gave evidence to a parliamentary

884
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,760
committee in australia saying that he

885
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,480
wasn't aware of any ongoing uap

886
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,039
investigations or research and wasn't

887
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,440
aware of any uap incidents

888
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,679
now i know that's not the case and it's

889
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,960
really interesting to me that the head

890
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,039
of our air force is not being read into

891
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,519
things that i know other people down the

892
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
line are being told about

893
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,360
and this is the problem is that we all

894
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,360
assume that in

895
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,480
a national

896
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,760
security

897
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,000
infrastructure you know the people in

898
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,000
charge are already into everything

899
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,029
one thing ross i want to go back and

900
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,559
mention as well you talked about you

901
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,960
have spoken to some of those congress

902
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,360
people and senators who have been

903
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,519
told uh what's going on within

904
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,000
classified briefings you use the word

905
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,320
told but have you also heard about what

906
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,000
they may have seen within these

907
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,760
briefings we've heard about videos that

908
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,000
are 40 minutes of sci-fi i believe is

909
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,760
one of the quotes that went about online

910
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,600
but what what are they seeing that's

911
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,960
changing that world view that you've

912
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,120
heard

913
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,720
oh well look um

914
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:04,960
uh two of the people that i've spoken to

915
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,480
have told me that they have seen videos

916
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,159
and had videos described to them

917
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,200
which display

918
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,839
within i think it was

919
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,639
i i think it was 50 yards within 50

920
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,359
yards of an airplane cockpit you're

921
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,879
seeing a

922
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,119
mechanical object doing impossible

923
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,470
crystal clear video

924
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,440
and and i was told by another individual

925
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,679
that there was an e2 hawkeye which is a

926
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,280
surveillance reconnaissance aircraft

927
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,440
that does full battlefield

928
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,720
um

929
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,240
planning and sends all the data back

930
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:47,359
into the combat weapon systems for the

931
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,119
for the carrier group i was told that um

932
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,599
this was also independently verified by

933
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,720
the different

934
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,520
sensor systems on any two hawkeye

935
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,760
and so th this has been the thing this

936
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:02,160
is the game changer is that whereas with

937
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:03,200
the

938
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
military felt safe about releasing

939
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,320
because it is just so bloody

940
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,359
irritatingly blurry i mean

941
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,520
be aware i mean there is

942
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,920
telemetry the most interesting thing

943
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,560
frankly i'm told is not the videos

944
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,960
i i one scientist had a go at me and he

945
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,960
says are you journalists you're always

946
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,720
obsessed with seeing things he said the

947
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,320
most interesting stuff is the data

948
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:31,040
surrounding those videos and and he

949
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,560
described to me you need to look at the

950
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,880
noise data the signals data and the you

951
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,640
know the telemetry data showing the

952
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:38,960
performance features of these objects

953
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,000
and um he said that's what really blew

954
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,760
him away and that's what's been

955
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,920
apparently revealed in the committee

956
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,040
hearings

957
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,200
is that you can't just look at these

958
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,359
videos and reach a conclusion about them

959
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,520
it's the videos in conjunction with the

960
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,680
other data that basically makes it so

961
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,400
compelling because it allows the the

962
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,000
boffins that are investigating this

963
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,800
stuff to exclude the mundane

964
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,160
prosaic

965
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,520
explanations

966
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,640
you know the

967
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,760
um

968
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,920
god bless them mick west

969
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,640
you know explanations seagulls um

970
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,880
splodges on the perspex you know all of

971
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,040
that's been considered and it's an

972
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
implausible explanation for what they're

973
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,520
seeing i'm told

974
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,839
do you have any inkling or as to how far

975
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:25,760
away we are from getting something that

976
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,960
isn't what we got in 2017 and i'm not

977
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,200
asking that are we going to get that you

978
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,640
know cockpit video because i've heard

979
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,880
about that as well but just something

980
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,680
that's a bit more juicy better clarity

981
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,000
maybe with some of that data to back up

982
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,839
as well

983
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,079
oh god andy i wish i could be positive i

984
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,400
mean i i freely admit i'm i i think

985
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,079
we're at a really interesting point

986
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,400
where everybody thinks

987
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:52,320
there's going to be an ongoing process

988
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,160
of disclosure i'm not so sure

989
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,119
i think it's possible still even now

990
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,720
even though this gillibrand amendment

991
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,960
has been pushed through the congress

992
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,119
it doesn't require that everything

993
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,440
that's collected in the form of the data

994
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,960
be

995
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,400
published

996
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,240
revealed

997
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,079
you know we could find ourselves i mean

998
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,839
one of the things that shocked me when i

999
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,320
spoke to attorney dan sheehan

1000
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,160
was his revelation to me that there

1001
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,320
really are there are still classified

1002
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,560
sections of project blue book the air

1003
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,480
force's investigation

1004
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,079
into the phenomenon

1005
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,680
that are still classified to this day

1006
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,079
and that's been formally denied by the

1007
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,760
air force but he just says no

1008
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,079
categorically that's nonsense he's seen

1009
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,200
it he's seen photographs of what he says

1010
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,720
was a flying saucer lying in a

1011
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,359
snow-covered piece of desert being

1012
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,320
searched and recovered by us military

1013
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:50,400
those those photographs have never been

1014
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,040
revealed and he saw them um 50 years ago

1015
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,760
so can we really expect that the us

1016
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,359
government is going to reveal this or

1017
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,320
are we being fed a line are we being i

1018
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,880
think the more plausible possibility is

1019
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,400
that we're told

1020
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,480
yes there is a phenomenon here yes it's

1021
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,440
real

1022
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,079
um yes we do think potentially this is

1023
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,640
an intelligent life form and you know i

1024
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,720
was just amazed this morning because

1025
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,800
when you read what um

1026
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,280
uapx has announced to are you across

1027
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,119
what uapx has also announced this

1028
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,880
morning

1029
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,200
yes i've seen the the statement yeah

1030
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,040
well i mean basically that they've been

1031
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,920
i i hear rumors that at least part of

1032
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,079
their project has had some helpful

1033
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,720
government funding or funding from

1034
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,960
um

1035
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,720
non-private areas

1036
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:43,119
and apparently they've concluded they

1037
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,320
have they're not allowed to release

1038
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,240
their data yet but they've concluded

1039
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,720
that there may exist a sufficiently

1040
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,760
advanced

1041
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:52,880
human technology that is of yet

1042
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,599
unaccounted for in their analysis

1043
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:57,839
initial results suggest that data

1044
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,440
captured by uapx eliminate human

1045
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,720
technology

1046
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,119
as a possibility for many instances of

1047
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,240
interest under further review

1048
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,040
now that's momentous but frankly will

1049
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,280
that data be released will it be

1050
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,880
revealed i'm not so sure it will

1051
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,520
this is the issue we can't assume we

1052
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,359
can't assume that just because this data

1053
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,960
is being collected and just because the

1054
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,200
congress is being given this data that

1055
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,160
it will necessarily be um released and i

1056
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,760
think one of the

1057
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,960
upsets

1058
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,359
in the um

1059
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,839
uh the legislation that the amendments

1060
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,760
that have gone before the congress

1061
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,599
there was hope that there was going to

1062
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,680
be set up in the original gila brand

1063
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,760
proposals there was there was a proposal

1064
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:46,160
for an independent science advisory

1065
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:46,960
group

1066
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,640
and the hope was that scu the um

1067
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,119
the uap investigation group composed of

1068
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:54,960
many reputable scientists would be

1069
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,000
involved and people had noted that chris

1070
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,240
mellon and louis lozando had

1071
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,599
both been

1072
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,520
invited to be part of the galileo

1073
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,240
project and it was kind of hinted that

1074
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,400
they might end up or at least one of

1075
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,560
them might end up being on that science

1076
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,920
advisory body in that oversight role but

1077
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,000
because that the pentagon's been able to

1078
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,640
head off in the amendments that science

1079
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,359
advisory body can you imagine the

1080
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,359
pentagon having to answer to an

1081
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,520
independent science advisory board

1082
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:28,000
including civilian scientists

1083
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,440
never going to happen

1084
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:31,119
and so i can understand why it didn't

1085
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,000
happen

1086
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,280
but to me it did not bode well for the

1087
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,520
idea of transparency which is why

1088
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,720
frankly people have to keep on pushing

1089
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,400
and i think when i was on your show

1090
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,319
originally andy i actually made the

1091
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,599
point that

1092
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,880
no change is going to come unless people

1093
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,400
rattle the cage

1094
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
the wheel that squeaks gets to greece

1095
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,800
and politics and and the gillibrand

1096
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,119
amendment is a perfect example

1097
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,599
of how people power has actually forced

1098
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,880
the congress

1099
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,839
into a just unprecedented level of

1100
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,400
disclosure but i worry that this

1101
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,839
legislation

1102
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:10,160
or the bill as it is proposed at the

1103
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,200
moment

1104
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,599
doesn't have sufficient independent

1105
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,960
oversight

1106
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,480
congressional committees senate

1107
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,560
oversight committees have been snowed

1108
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,040
before national security especially in

1109
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,839
these increasingly dangerous times is a

1110
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,040
very powerful mantra so my worry is that

1111
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,680
we might see a situation where yeah the

1112
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,160
congress is being given data but the

1113
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,599
public isn't getting to hear it

1114
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,440
and you know it's funny i peek behind

1115
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,280
the actor's curtain here my final

1116
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,119
question is going to be about what gives

1117
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,960
you hope this isn't just another cycle

1118
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,560
and the genie won't be put back in the

1119
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,200
bottle but you're saying that there is a

1120
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,520
potential scenario where that does

1121
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,319
happen but how much can

1122
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,040
the public be given that you know if

1123
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,359
even that admission you mentioned that

1124
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,440
there is potentially a non-human

1125
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,520
intelligence at play as some of this

1126
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,640
phenomena

1127
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,160
surely that isn't

1128
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,599
going to go away then from a public

1129
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,040
point of view or can you really see a

1130
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,520
scenario where that could happen

1131
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,640
well this is the other thing um

1132
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,720
a few of my sources have actually said

1133
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,839
to me that the phenomenon

1134
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,359
is

1135
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,319
making

1136
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,359
disclosure inevitable

1137
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,599
and just to explain that i mean

1138
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,359
i've been talking to people who are

1139
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800
aware of the

1140
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,200
scale of the recent sightings off the

1141
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,599
virginia coast involving carrier battle

1142
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,319
groups doing work work up exercises

1143
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,359
with um fighter squadrons and

1144
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,319
um

1145
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,720
you know i'm told that pilots are going

1146
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:45,520
up and frequently coming into contact

1147
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,119
with dozens of anomalous objects

1148
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,599
the phenomenon whatever it is is making

1149
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:53,760
itself so obvious

1150
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,440
so overt it's impossible to not collect

1151
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,680
data on it and this is the thing that's

1152
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,400
been driving i think a lot of the

1153
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,040
sense of urgency in the congress

1154
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,640
there's a great string and i don't have

1155
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,240
it in front of me here but it's up on

1156
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,400
reddit which goes through all of the

1157
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,480
different congressmen and senators

1158
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,400
who've basically been read into the

1159
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,480
classified briefings that were given to

1160
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,319
them in skiff facilities

1161
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,720
inside the congress and i think it's

1162
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,800
really instructive reading for anybody

1163
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:24,319
who's trying to get across this issue

1164
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:25,280
because

1165
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:28,960
i was really impressed by how

1166
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,319
driven they are now these politicians by

1167
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,800
a sense of need for this to be

1168
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:37,040
investigated and i'm told that's what's

1169
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,319
driving that

1170
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,440
is that the intensity and frequency of

1171
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:44,480
these sightings is just off the scale

1172
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:45,359
um

1173
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,960
being seen in each

1174
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,680
engagement is just extraordinary

1175
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,359
and frankly

1176
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,359
if what gary nolan if what professor

1177
00:44:03,190 --> 00:43:59,839
gary nolan at stanford university has

1178
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,200
revealed today is correct that there are

1179
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,839
absolutely adverse health effects that

1180
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,960
have come

1181
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,960
being suffered by

1182
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,880
people who've come up close to this

1183
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,119
phenomena that's really alarming it's

1184
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,040
actually quite concerning we need to

1185
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,720
know more about that and i can

1186
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,160
understand why

1187
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,240
any congress person would basically be

1188
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,079
desperately keen to make sure that it's

1189
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,520
properly resourced and properly

1190
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,200
investigated

1191
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,440
but i can also understand why the

1192
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,359
national security infrastructure might

1193
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,920
go you know what we still can't rule out

1194
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,319
the possibility that this is a

1195
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,240
either a state actor or a non-state

1196
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,000
actor on this planet

1197
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,000
and for that reason we need to properly

1198
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,440
investigate it because it's a national

1199
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,920
security issue you know that this links

1200
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,160
into nolan's made it quite clear this

1201
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,720
links into the havana syndrome

1202
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,319
there's been this weird thing that's

1203
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,240
been going on where us diplomats have

1204
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,160
been suffering weird illnesses that

1205
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,160
cannot be explained

1206
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,000
and some debunkers have suggested it was

1207
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,800
just psychosomatic but it does appear

1208
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,119
that nolan's research has shown that

1209
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,760
there is something very real happening

1210
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,720
now if i'm a defense security person

1211
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,160
trying to get across it i can understand

1212
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,440
why they might want to keep it secret

1213
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,280
for a while longer i'm not making

1214
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,040
excuses for them because we should we

1215
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,040
should be needling and pushing

1216
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,359
but frankly i i don't see at the moment

1217
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,359
the degree of momentum that should be

1218
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,960
happening in the mainstream media

1219
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,720
because the mainstream media frankly is

1220
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,400
completely dropping the ball on this

1221
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,440
subject

1222
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,839
i did an interview with a very very

1223
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,160
reputable journalist in your country i

1224
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,640
won't say who just the other day

1225
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,319
and they did a long interview with me

1226
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,880
where i took them through the reasons

1227
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,040
why this issue needs to be engaged with

1228
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,119
far more seriously and and needs to be

1229
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,160
taken seriously by mainstream media and

1230
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,319
seriously investigated as a beat as

1231
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,960
around by news organizations you know

1232
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,520
this is the probably the biggest story

1233
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,440
of the moment if people sit back and

1234
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,000
think about it we have the beginnings of

1235
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,000
an acknowledgement by the us government

1236
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,079
that there is an intelligent form of

1237
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,400
life that is not human with a

1238
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,119
sophisticated highly advanced technology

1239
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,160
engaging with humanity

1240
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,920
wow

1241
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,160
and yet it's not on the front page of

1242
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:16,640
the times the new york times the

1243
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,710
but i wonder given the comment you've

1244
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,640
just made there ross that the phenomenon

1245
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,280
is in a way revealing itself and making

1246
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,839
making disclosure potentially more

1247
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,760
palatable or easier to come about or

1248
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,359
harder to avoid

1249
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,680
it only seems to be unveiling itself to

1250
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,440
to the military you mentioned pilots

1251
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,480
going up and encountering a dozen uap

1252
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,160
obviously if

1253
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,160
you go up in a commercial airliner or

1254
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,160
jeff bezos or elon musk go up in one of

1255
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,720
their flights and 12 uaps start buzzing

1256
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,079
about one of those then that's a

1257
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,599
different story but

1258
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,680
those mass sightings still seem to be

1259
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,359
exclusive to the military almost why

1260
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:57,440
wouldn't it unveil itself again like a

1261
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,470
i would have thought the phoenix-like

1262
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,160
event disproves what you're saying

1263
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,839
clearly there's a phenomenon that's been

1264
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:08,079
manifesting itself to humanity not just

1265
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,950
there is something intelligent i i can't

1266
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,560
explain that but there is clearly

1267
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,000
something intelligent that has been

1268
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,800
manifesting itself to humanity for years

1269
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,040
i mean you'd recall in my documentary

1270
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,880
there's a school in australia which was

1271
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,000
buzzed by three metallic elliptical

1272
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,440
silvery discs 200 plus people saw it and

1273
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,200
despite official attempts at a cover-up

1274
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:35,040
those witnesses still believe what they

1275
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,720
saw was something not of this world um

1276
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
so there is a phenomenon that i think is

1277
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,960
manifesting itself to humanity it's

1278
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,559
actually quite inquisitive interestingly

1279
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,040
enough about kids i was i was talking to

1280
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,960
somebody just yesterday about another

1281
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,480
school sighting that i'd never heard

1282
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,920
about

1283
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,240
the number of sightings of these objects

1284
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:56,559
over schools is is fascinating there's

1285
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,390
so

1286
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,440
and look if if the if the the volume of

1287
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,000
emails and messages that i'm getting

1288
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,240
personally is any guide

1289
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,440
i i mean i

1290
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,359
i've lost count of the number of people

1291
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:15,200
who've emailed me in recent months and

1292
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,240
said

1293
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,640
i saw your documentary i've read your

1294
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,559
book i've never told anybody about what

1295
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,319
i saw and i don't quite know why i've

1296
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,000
never told anybody about what i saw

1297
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,760
because i'm i'm not ashamed of it and

1298
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,760
i'm very sure of what i saw but this is

1299
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,119
what i saw

1300
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,839
and often it's just freaky stuff where

1301
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,480
they're engaging clearly with something

1302
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,599
that is

1303
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:38,400
highly advanced technology intelligent

1304
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:39,200
and

1305
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,800
anything on this planet

1306
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,680
and

1307
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,280
frankly

1308
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,040
the the notion that this is just

1309
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,079
military engagements is i think wrong i

1310
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,040
i think that what's happening is the

1311
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,280
military now has the technology

1312
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,800
particularly

1313
00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:59,200
fleur imaging

1314
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,960
phased array radar systems

1315
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,119
tracking technology which makes it

1316
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,880
easier for the military to be able to

1317
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,640
measure this stuff

1318
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,880
but you know as we both know there are

1319
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,359
people now in private enterprise who are

1320
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,079
setting up in private groups technology

1321
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,000
which will hopefully be similarly able

1322
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,839
to record the phenomenon

1323
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,760
and i think part of that is driving the

1324
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,520
imperative from the pentagon because

1325
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,200
they've known for years they've had the

1326
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,200
monopoly on this kind of technology that

1327
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,200
allows them to

1328
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,359
to monitor this stuff

1329
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,520
but it's now becoming increasingly

1330
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,839
impossible for them to deny

1331
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,119
the obvious

1332
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,920
i mean i'm a huge fan of a great group

1333
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,480
in the uk called bellingcat which is an

1334
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,760
open source intelligence organization

1335
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,839
which essentially collects

1336
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,359
things like

1337
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,520
social media videos

1338
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,760
and shortly i was involved it was a

1339
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,680
terrible tragedy when the

1340
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,400
malaysian airlines mh17 jet was shot

1341
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,960
down by the russians the russians tried

1342
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,960
to deny that they'd shot this aircraft

1343
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,960
down over the ukraine and

1344
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,680
we'd lost dozens of people in australia

1345
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,920
it's an absolute horrible horrific

1346
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,839
tragedy and i've spoken to the families

1347
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,440
of the beautiful little children who

1348
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,359
were killed and it's just awful

1349
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,079
basically horrible meaningless

1350
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,200
active barbarism by the russians

1351
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,720
and

1352
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,880
the interesting thing was that the key

1353
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,520
evidence that came through that revealed

1354
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,240
the russian complicity in firing a buck

1355
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,040
missile rocket launcher at this aircraft

1356
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,400
and the mistaken belief it was a

1357
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,960
ukrainian military aircraft

1358
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,599
that information came from open source

1359
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,839
intelligence gathered by

1360
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,079
people from bellingket using social

1361
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,920
media facebook you know some of these

1362
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,839
russian buck missile operators that

1363
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,559
actually posted on social media saying

1364
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,000
where they were and they were able to

1365
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,240
use the location data to track the

1366
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,400
movement of this rocket launcher

1367
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,000
so imagine if similar oceant similar

1368
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,720
publicly available data allows us to for

1369
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,960
example

1370
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:07,280
use satellites maybe the elon musk

1371
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,950
objects moving through our atmosphere i

1372
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,520
mean that technology is now available

1373
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,920
people are now able to buy far higher

1374
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,160
resolution satellite telemetry imagery

1375
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,680
than ever before

1376
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,680
and so i think we're on the cusp of a

1377
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,599
technological revolution that makes it

1378
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,680
very very difficult for the

1379
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,280
the people who've controlled this

1380
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,200
information because they've largely only

1381
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,960
had the technology that allows this to

1382
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,240
be perceived

1383
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,160
we're now on the cusp of a revolution

1384
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,160
that makes it possible for all of us to

1385
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,480
be able to do this kind of digging and

1386
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,480
we should by golly we should we

1387
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:44,000
shouldn't just sit back and tell

1388
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,119
ourselves

1389
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,960
disclosure is going to happen

1390
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,960
transparency is on the way it's all

1391
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,640
light and good and the government's

1392
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,800
going to tell us everything believe me

1393
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,359
they won't they won't tell you a thing

1394
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,760
unless you push

1395
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,520
and the limited time we've got left ross

1396
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:00,960
i want to ask you you mentioned

1397
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,680
satellite imagery and data before have

1398
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,440
you ever heard any information or

1399
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,520
evidence this was from newman and

1400
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,359
whether these uaps are potentially

1401
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,520
conducting operations in orbit or in

1402
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,630
i can't really say for sure to be

1403
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,800
perfectly honest mate i mean there are

1404
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,119
what i can tell you is and this is in my

1405
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,079
book in my book bob fish who is a very

1406
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,359
highly cleared top-secret sci cleared

1407
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,160
person and in his time he he was in a

1408
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,559
aerospace facility in long beach

1409
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,800
california one of the big defense

1410
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,280
aerospace companies and he was literally

1411
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,079
shown telemetry data showing

1412
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,000
uh an anomalous

1413
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:44,559
object craft call it what you like

1414
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,599
maneuvering in front of a dsp defence

1415
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,760
support program satellite changing

1416
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,599
velocity changing course and then

1417
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,920
entering earth's atmosphere

1418
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,200
i'm told

1419
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,720
by

1420
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,240
both american

1421
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,319
and australian sources who've worked out

1422
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,480
of the pine gap facility

1423
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,640
and that's the facility that records

1424
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:06,960
icbm launches all around the world it's

1425
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,440
like america's early warning satellite

1426
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,520
scanning system for

1427
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,280
rockets essentially

1428
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,440
anomalous space objects

1429
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,200
there's also a space telescope in

1430
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:19,839
exmouth in western australia and that's

1431
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,119
all hardwired into a data feed that goes

1432
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,880
back to the united states and a lot of

1433
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,960
this is run by australians

1434
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,640
and we're doing quite a good job helping

1435
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,200
out space command u.s space command

1436
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,160
but i'm told that as well as space junk

1437
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,760
no thanks to the russians for that for

1438
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,119
exploding one of their satellites

1439
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,640
recently

1440
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,800
as well as space junk increasingly this

1441
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,119
data is is detecting anomalous space

1442
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,440
objects objects that are clearly showing

1443
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,359
intelligent control

1444
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,400
but as for what their purpose is

1445
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,400
i have no insights on to what the

1446
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,040
purpose is of this all i can say is that

1447
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,599
yes data is being collected

1448
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,720
and people are worried about it

1449
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,559
and ross one last thing to get in very

1450
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,480
quickly before we let you go this was

1451
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,400
from neil but quite a few people wrote

1452
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,200
in about the future human time travelers

1453
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,880
idea and it's something i know we talked

1454
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,240
about previously and i think a lot of

1455
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960
confusion happens around this uh if the

1456
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,960
future was that bad why would they not

1457
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,119
make contact directly or take direct

1458
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,359
action to change the course of history

1459
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,680
what is your opinion now as we speak on

1460
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,000
the future humans theory

1461
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,480
okay let me preface everything i say

1462
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,359
here by saying that just because i'm

1463
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:33,920
reporting what i've been told about the

1464
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,400
future human hypothesis i'm not

1465
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,480
necessarily subscribing to the notion

1466
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,400
that i believe it okay

1467
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,480
i've heard it from multiple sources and

1468
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,079
other people i know have heard it from

1469
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:46,160
other sources that are independent of

1470
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,119
mine

1471
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
so i do believe that there are people in

1472
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,280
the intelligence and defense community

1473
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000
who are purporting to be aware of this

1474
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,520
scenario

1475
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,480
i cannot explain

1476
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,720
why they don't just if if this is a

1477
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,280
future human scenario wouldn't the best

1478
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,040
thing do and it's the best argument

1479
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,400
frankly too you know why don't they just

1480
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,000
manifest themselves on the white house

1481
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,760
lawn and a big flying saucer and

1482
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,319
everybody can get on with their jobs

1483
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,760
i don't know all i can do is speculate

1484
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,559
that it involves a fear of adjusting the

1485
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,359
time stream which is what i was told

1486
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:23,119
that that essentially

1487
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,160
you know

1488
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,280
the very fact of being overt

1489
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,400
alters

1490
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,559
the time stream

1491
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,720
and my understanding my limited

1492
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,799
understanding as much as my tiny little

1493
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,119
brain can cope with this whole notion

1494
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,200
is that the best it's been explained to

1495
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,789
it's not a case that you can alter the

1496
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,160
time stream

1497
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,440
anyway

1498
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,880
directly

1499
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,359
it's more a case that by

1500
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,280
going back in time if this was

1501
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,799
theoretically the case if this is

1502
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,000
possible

1503
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,839
by going back in time the increasing

1504
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,480
speculation is all it's going to do is

1505
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,640
open up a multiverse it's going to open

1506
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,680
up open up an alternative universe

1507
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,400
with an alternative time stream

1508
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:10,000
and so that's what's been explained to

1509
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,280
me is that

1510
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,599
that whilst you might have a scenario

1511
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,119
where

1512
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,599
let's assume that there is one group of

1513
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,599
future humans that

1514
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,520
wants change to happen and one group of

1515
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,359
future humans that doesn't want change

1516
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,230
maybe they don't know what their

1517
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,359
meddling will achieve

1518
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,520
you know we're speculating

1519
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,920
that they know what they're doing maybe

1520
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,880
they don't maybe they're like us

1521
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,359
but maybe they're aware that there is a

1522
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,920
you know a future cataclysm or some kind

1523
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,359
of uh

1524
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,359
apocalyptic event

1525
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,799
and they're

1526
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,880
nervously trying to feel their way

1527
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,760
around how to deal with it

1528
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:56,160
you know we assume

1529
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,240
we assume that our political leaders our

1530
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,839
military leaders and our intelligence

1531
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,160
chiefs all know what's going on

1532
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,240
um in the same way maybe we're assuming

1533
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,319
that that future human scenario knows

1534
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,640
what's going on maybe they don't

1535
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,720
but maybe they're trying to do something

1536
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,960
to let the people in power know that

1537
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,559
there is a scenario here that's an

1538
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,559
enormous risk to humanity

1539
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,000
and perhaps the most plausible

1540
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,839
explanation is that they want to do this

1541
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,520
with minimal disruption to the time

1542
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,280
stream

1543
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:27,119
well maybe i was going to say ross a

1544
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,480
great way to explain that to the general

1545
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,240
public and get that idea would be for a

1546
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,920
major hollywood studio to introduce the

1547
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,760
idea of a multiverse through some some

1548
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,359
big movies that might be coming out in

1549
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,760
the very near future so well actually

1550
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,200
there's one already i mean i would

1551
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,040
commend to people that they watched this

1552
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,920
fantastic german series called dark

1553
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,920
which has been on netflix in my country

1554
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,680
and i think it's been on in the uk as

1555
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,160
well have you seen that out of it yeah

1556
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,599
i've not seen i've heard it's been

1557
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,720
recommended

1558
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,559
i mean it's it's the most nihilistic and

1559
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,960
depressing series known to man but um

1560
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,920
it's it's compelling and my

1561
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,480
understanding from somebody who purports

1562
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,559
to know is that its representation of

1563
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,040
the time stream disruption issues is

1564
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,440
fairly accurate

1565
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,200
well ross our time stream is up because

1566
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,040
you have to get going can i just ask

1567
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,280
what is coming up next for you and uh

1568
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,119
what's your what's your follow-ups any

1569
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,799
future documentaries coming out or a

1570
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,720
follow-up to in plain sight

1571
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,559
well certainly the tv station that i

1572
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,119
work with is very keen for follow-ups

1573
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,799
but i'm only keen to do one when i've

1574
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:28,799
got something interesting to say

1575
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,950
a one or two off sort of podcast project

1576
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:39,520
of my own at the moment which um

1577
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,880
uh will probably be uh up online

1578
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,599
in the next few weeks uh

1579
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,960
and um

1580
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,480
i'm also working on a documentary

1581
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,960
proposal i would really like to bring

1582
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,400
the skill set that i have as an

1583
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,760
investigative journalist i feel

1584
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,680
frustrated that i've only had

1585
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,440
you know an hour and a bit to tell the

1586
00:59:03,270 --> 00:58:59,920
documentary that i've already published

1587
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:03,280
um and frankly the volume and intensity

1588
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,880
of the audience interest in this subject

1589
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,880
matter makes me think that

1590
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,280
if i can find the funding for it i would

1591
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,839
be really interested in as a journalist

1592
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,680
bringing the skill set that i have to

1593
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,119
doing a more

1594
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,200
reactive and

1595
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,880
more frequent

1596
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:22,720
discussion and investigation of the

1597
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,400
phenomenon i think i think it's time for

1598
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,359
mainstream media to treat this like any

1599
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,240
other round any other journalistic beat

1600
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,400
and uh if mainstream media is not going

1601
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,799
to do it then i'm thinking maybe i need

1602
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,520
to so at the moment i'm i'm looking for

1603
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,200
funding i'm talking to various

1604
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,160
production people about ideas

1605
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,400
because i

1606
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:48,160
was it just me who was frustrated with

1607
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,599
that jj abrams ufo series

1608
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:53,920
no it wasn't no and the first couple of

1609
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,319
episodes generally were okay and then it

1610
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,240
went right off of classic it was

1611
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,920
awful i mean it was like they just gave

1612
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,720
up

1613
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,960
there was no rigor no journalistic

1614
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,280
analysis and rigor in in what they

1615
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,760
brought in those final two episodes

1616
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,599
really annoyed me and i guess that's

1617
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:11,119
what i'm thinking i'm thinking that you

1618
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,240
know

1619
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,359
the public

1620
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,920
know good investigative journalism when

1621
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,920
they see it and and

1622
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,680
that's what i'd like to do i'd really

1623
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:22,000
like to be able to bring to this subject

1624
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:23,040
matter

1625
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,000
rigor

1626
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:26,319
and you know when when it's bollocks and

1627
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,440
when it should be treated with

1628
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:28,880
skepticism let's treat it with

1629
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,079
skepticism but but let's i mean i think

1630
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,559
a reactive news program that basically

1631
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,799
follows up on the issues of the day

1632
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,040
things like this gary nolan thing i mean

1633
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,799
i love the fact that vice has done this

1634
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,480
interview with professor gary nolan at

1635
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,240
stanford university

1636
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,480
about his investigations

1637
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,640
into the so-called meta materials and

1638
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,160
and the health effects the alleged

1639
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,240
adverse health effects on

1640
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,599
people who've come up close to the

1641
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:55,040
phenomenon

1642
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,240
but you know why isn't there a

1643
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,160
documentary film about that you know why

1644
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,599
isn't there something that really goes

1645
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,520
into that in much more detail that's the

1646
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,319
sort of stuff i'd like to do

1647
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,839
well ross it's been a pleasure speaking

1648
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,160
to you again and you have been genuinely

1649
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,760
some of my favorite conversations from

1650
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,680
the year and i look forward to welcoming

1651
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,240
you back on in 2022 as well

1652
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,079
and andy i'm very very pleased to see

1653
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,319
your up and about after about of covert

1654
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:20,079
and i wish you and your family the very

1655
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,760
very best for christmas and

1656
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,400
same to everybody out there

1657
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,480
that is all for this week's show thank

1658
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,400
you very much for listening please

1659
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,640
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1660
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,119
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1661
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1662
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,359
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1670
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1671
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1672
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:26,740
i don't think he expected me

1673
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:35,670
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1674
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:37,190
i can't imagine how it could have been

1675
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,309
they thought this was noise they thought

1676
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:03,760
it was a dream they thought it was my

1677
01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:05,790
toys

1678
01:03:15,030 --> 01:03:24,390
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1679
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,520
over there

1680
01:04:07,109 --> 01:03:34,870
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1681
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:07,119
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1682
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:22,230
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1683
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:24,610
so